So maybe you’ve been playing fantasy football for a few years and you’ve got a good group of guys who consistently manage the teams in your leagues. You may have tried to spice things up by adding a RB/WR flex position one year, or 2 QB’s another year, but you still want something more. If you haven’t considered it before, maybe now is the time you begin thinking about starting a “keeper” fantasy football league. In short, a keeper league is a league where between seasons, each manager decides to “keep” a certain amount of players (generally up to 3) from his previous team who will carry over to his next year’s team. We held our first “real” keeper draft last night*, so I figured it might be useful to share our league’s rules with you, so that if you’re interested in starting a similar league you would have something to base it on…
FFGeekBlog Keeper League Rules:
1. Each team can keep from 0-3 players from their previous end-of-season roster – Depending on what players are left on your team at the end of the previous season, you may wish to “keep” none of your players.
2. Players drafted in the first 3 rounds of a draft can not be kept in the following season – This prevents the top tier of players from being kept and creating massively unfair teams. Due to rule 4 below, the first 2 rounds technically couldn’t be kept anyways.
3. A Player can only be kept a maximum of 3 consecutive times – This rule is there just to keep things interesting. If you want the same player(s) on the same team year after year, maybe you should start a Dynasty league instead.
4. For each player that is kept (and was originally drafted by a team), that manager must give up a draft pick 2 picks higher than where the player was initially drafted the year before – This ensures that players that improve in talent each season are accounted for. If Frank Gore was drafted in the 13th round last year, you probably don’t want him counting for a teams 13th pick for the next 3 years.
Example: Wide receiver Brandon Marshall was drafted in the 11th round last year. If kept, this year he would account for the teams 9th round pick. If kept again, the following year he would be considered the 7th round pick.
5. Any player that went undrafted the previous year, but is being kept, will count as a team’s 3rd to last draft pick – This rule is there to slightly reward good drafting, as keeping free agent pickups are a little pricier than last round draft picks.
Example: Marques Colston was picked up off free agency last season by a team. If the league has 15 rounds in its draft, and the manager wishes to keep Colston, he must give up his 12th round pick the following season (as opposed to a player drafted in the 15th round, who would only count for the 13th pick).
6. If you do not have a draft pick for a round to give up to keep a player, you must give up the next higher pick – This might happen if you trade away a draft pick during preseason or have 2 keepers that have the same draft status from the previous year. One tip to consider if you have 2 players vying for the same draft spot is to make sure the player most likely to be kept the next year is taken with the higher pick. This makes his keeper “price” cheaper for the next draft.
Example: You wish to keep two free agents that you picked up during last season. Because both of them would qualify for your 12th pick (in a 15 round draft), one must count as the 12th pick, but the other will have to be your 11th pick.
7 (Optional). If your league wants to, you can trade picks in the draft before the draft begins (or even during the draft if your commissioner allows it) – This would allow you to trade a combination of players/picks to another manager to address certain team needs you might have.
So there you have it…time to get your boys together and let them know that a Keeper league is the way to go. Alternately, there are leagues called Dynasty leagues, which ares similar to Keeper leagues, but there is generally no limit to the amount of players that can be kept from year-to-year. You might try this approach, but I think the Keeper league style lends itself to more competitive teams and a much more interesting draft.
* The first season of a keeper league is drafted just like a re-draft league, so this year is our second year in the league and I consider it the first “real” keeper league draft. In case you’re interested, an analysis of this league’s draft will be posted on the site sometime in the next day or two, so check back to see how it went down.


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Joel 11:59 am on 8/02/2009 Permalink |
Really informative for my buddy who joined a keeper last year and are totally dismissing rules 2 and 4. Thank you.
Fluxx 4:22 pm on 8/09/2009 Permalink |
Just because he says these are the rules doesn’t make them “official”. You can modify these rules to your liking.
Matt 10:15 am on 8/10/2009 Permalink
Yep. This is how we do it, and it works for us, but there are a million other ways to make a keeper league fun and competitive.
sean donnellan 11:37 am on 8/18/2009 Permalink |
i am having some trouble in my league. we are attempting to set up rules for an auction draft keeper league. right now we have salaries @ or below $10 are allowed to be kept for the next season and up to 3 total. however there is no limit. i am looking for additional input as to rules for auciton/keeper leagues?
Matt 11:49 am on 8/18/2009 Permalink |
Sorry Sean, can’t help ya on this one. I’m not a big fan of auction leagues and haven’t played in them enough to give good advice on the topic.
tom 8:42 pm on 8/19/2009 Permalink |
My friends have invited me to a keeper league. They said 5 months ago that a member left the league and I could join and take over his team and keepers. With that information I said sure I would love to join the league.
Since that discusion 2 other teams have left and we need to fill all vacancies. The issue is, when asked for my keepers I requested to see what teams were open. i liked the keepers from another team and said, if this is an open team I will take over this team, and the keepers.
Now members are all upset saying I am switching teams, when in my view, 5 months ago, there was 1 team going to open and wanted to know if I was interested. I was interested in playing fantasy football.
I feel if there are 3 teams open before draft day, and I am the 1st to step up and purchase a team, I should be able to choose from any of the open rosters/teams. They are feeling otherwise. Now remind you they said who ever joins next can choose from the other 2 teams, but I cannot choose my team because I commited to saying I would join the league 5 months ago, without knowing before hand the team or the players.
How would you answer or handle this in your league? Am I out of line?
Bill 12:20 pm on 8/09/2010 Permalink |
if this were to happen in my league I would get three people and then randomly assign the teams to them. Just because you were first should not give such a big setup in my opinion. Another option is to take the best players on these teams and then do a minidraft between the new owners
tom 8:43 pm on 8/19/2009 Permalink |
oh i forgot to mention I had inside news that should the other 2 spots remain void, the keepers would fall into a pool up for grabs. I think they are hoping to go 2 teams shy and grab key players from the teams….but thats just my guess
Brandon 8:58 pm on 8/19/2009 Permalink |
Tom, in the keeper league that Matt and I are in there have been two situations where someone dropped out and we had to fill the spot. However, in our league we handle that with a sort of “rookie hazing”, where we put all the players from the abandoned team back into the free agent pool and the new guy starts the season with no keepers and has to earn them in his first year. Not sure you guys are up for that kind of thing, depending on the money involved and how fair you think it is, but that is how we do it in our league.
tom 9:10 pm on 8/19/2009 Permalink |
that seems fair as well, thank you
CGomez 9:28 am on 9/09/2009 Permalink |
We made up some keeper rules quite a long time ago… 2001 in fact. I won’t say they are perfect, but it is impressive how much they’ve held up.
Basically, the first few years of the league are a little rocky and then it smooths out. You’ll see what I mean.
Draft a league as normal, play the season as normal. Our trade deadline is week 10 (before week 10′s games start). 15 and 16 are the playoffs for top four teams in a ten team league (we did expand from 8 to 10 at one point).
The trading deadline is also the signing deadline. You submit to the league your list of contracts. We call them “years” but they are really “drafts”. If you sign a player for three years you hold them out of three “drafts”.
Each team distributes ten years any way they want. You want to put all ten on one player, fine. You want to go 4,3,2,1… fine. You want to hold 10 players through the next draft, fine.
You can never extend a “contract”, so when you have a keeper player who has dropped to 0 “drafts” or “years” remaining, they are going to go back in the draft pool the next year.
But you CAN trade any player (including players under contract). So what happens is at the trading deadline there is a flurry of activity to move these top tier keepers around. Some get moved. Some don’t (perhaps you have a gangbusters team and want to win this year). The trading deadline is positioned (we believe) so that its a gamble either way and that makes for more exciting decisions to be made.
You are also free to cut a player at any time, even a contracted one, and those years are simply voided and returned to you. So you aren’t hamstrung to a player who suddenly ages before your eyes. This rule sounds much worse than it is. It actually works well.
You CAN cut a player, free up his contract time, and then pick him back up off waivers, but that has NEVER happened because if the player was any good, he’s lost to you forever. There have been cut “keepers” who are picked up as a flyer by another owner. And sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t.
You can also trade picks in our league. We limit trading of picks to no more than two drafts in the future because we might have an owner drop out, a new one take his team, and see his future mortgaged. But no one’s ever left the league.
So, after year one, how do you resign in future years? Well, at the draft, everyone’s contract number drops by one, so if you signed four players to 4,3,2,1 years, you would have them now signed to 3,2,1,0 (one player is leaving your team after this season), and you’d have four years available at the trading/signing deadline (more if you cut a keeper prior to the trading/signing deadline).
Basically, you can count your number of kept players and that’s how many years you’ll have. You always sign back up to ten years each season.
What happens is the league has been ebbing and flowing between locking up superstars for five years at a clip to this season where everyone kept 4-6 players, meaning there is going to be a flurry of trades and lots of key players back in the draft next season.
I’ve probably forgotten to post our corner case rules, but there really are not many. What makes the league fun is it is flexible and there is much more player movement than you might think. Over the ten years a fantasy stud like Peyton Manning is on his fourth team (I had him for four years and trading him in his prime was a bonanza).
The point of the simple rules is that you don’t have to remember much, track much… who are the contracts and how many “years” are left?
Tommy 11:07 am on 3/09/2010 Permalink |
How does the draft work in the following years? Where do the keepers count?
If someone keeps 4 players do they count as your last 4 rounds of the draft? The first four rounds? Do they get bumped up from previous years like in Brandon’s league?
steve 2:14 pm on 12/14/2009 Permalink |
Question: If a star player who is on the IR is dropped by another team and somebody else picks the guy up near the end of the season, is the player regarded as a free agent pickup (12th rd pick), or does it go by where that player was drafted by the original team?
Brandon 10:38 am on 12/16/2009 Permalink |
Depends on how you laid out the rules to begin the year, but the way we play is that all players retain their draft position throughout the entire year. This prevents any disagreement over situations like this.
Peddler 9:22 pm on 12/24/2009 Permalink |
I am working on adjusting our league to a keeper league such as the one laid out above (a player drafted in the 10th round one year moves up in year #2, etc.). At the end of the year we will have play-offs and all teams will be involved. For example: The top 4 will playoff for the Championship. The next 4 will playoff for spots 5-9, and the bottom 4 will playoff for the “Toilet Bowl.” or something like that – so all teams will play/be matched up for all 16 weeks.
My question is this: In year #2 I would like to set up the draft in reverse order of finish, but I also don’t want teams tanking late in the year to move up in the draft…any suggestions?
Thanks!
Keith 2:05 pm on 12/31/2009 Permalink |
Award the winner of the toilet bowl the #1 pick. Something to play for and incentive not to tank games.
Peddler 4:08 pm on 1/01/2010 Permalink |
Thanks Keith – that is a good option, but what if you TRULY have an aweful team and you finish last in the season and don’t have the horses to win the toiler bowl and you are penalized by not ‘winning’ the first pick…any other creative ideas? Thanks!
bigdaddyhognuts 11:38 am on 1/19/2010 Permalink |
If your team is that bad maybe you shouldn’t be playing fantasy sports.
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cary 12:33 am on 7/18/2010 Permalink |
hey. So I followed your advice and rules. We started our keeper league last season. This is year 2 and I feel I have everything in place EXCEPT what site should I use. I have guys all over the country and a live draft works best for us. I have never been part of a keeper league. Do sites have options on who is not available and what round? Who do you guys use? Thanks and good luck this season.
Brandon 10:15 am on 8/06/2010 Permalink |
In previous years we’ve actually used Google Docs to do the draft. You set up the draft board and can put the keepers on the board before the draft starts so you know which teams and players are already set. With the draft board visible to all managers, each one can report their pick to the commish, who actually edits the table.
The one positive/negative to a draft like this is that every manager needs their own cheatsheets and can’t rely on Yahoo’s list to recommend the next best available player.
Once you’ve done the draft, you can enter their status in Yahoo as a keeper so that you can remember next year.
Just one way to do it!
Ford 6:06 pm on 7/20/2010 Permalink |
Used the Same Rules as above with slight modifications. Instead of only giving up 2 rounds during the 3rd year you have to give up 3 rounds, and 4 rounds for the final year(we limit it to 4 seasons of being on your roster) (so if you had jamaal charles last year free agent, then a 14th this year, 11th, next year and 7th final year; just makes it a more active league)
Also to respond to another question about the toilet bowl award what we do is a random draft of the bottom 3 teams, so they are guaranteed a first, second, or third overall pick. and then 4 through 10 are drawn for random order as well. We are thinking of adding a consolation bracket prize of choosing which number pick you would like to draft from the next year to try to get everyone involved.
My only question is about semantics. What is more logical to do? Give my team their draft order or require them to tell me what keepers they are going to retain for this season? Which is more logical and why? Thanks alot.
Brandon 10:40 am on 8/06/2010 Permalink |
I recommend telling the league the draft order first, since this might have a slight impact on their keepers. Just my opinion though.
Will 6:21 am on 7/25/2010 Permalink |
I have a question about rule 4. If you keep a player drafted in round 4, you lose your 2nd pick the next season. Now does this make that player ineligible as a keeper for the following season? I’m going into my 2nd year as commissioner and my keeper rules r still fuzzy I’m realizing and would appreciate any advice thx
Brandon 10:11 am on 8/06/2010 Permalink |
Yes, that player would now be ineligible for the next season.
ted 3:42 pm on 7/30/2010 Permalink |
Question:
In your opinion, if you were to use these keeper rules AND select new draft positions, when would you announce your keepers.
Fairness, to me, says after you’ve been given your draft position
Brandon 10:10 am on 8/06/2010 Permalink |
I agree with this. Your draft position may affect which players you end up keeping. In the end though, it might not make all that much of a difference beyond the first couple rounds.
Chad 2:02 pm on 8/05/2010 Permalink |
question?
I run a keeper league with each team keeping 2 players. Eah team has the option of only keeping one and drafting another player (non rookie) at the begining of the draft. Shold they player that is only keeping one be moved to the end of round one in the draft?
Just curious on your thoughts.
Thanks,
Brandon 10:35 am on 8/06/2010 Permalink |
I think your draft order should be set independent of how many keepers each team has. Whether a manager wants to keep 0, 1 or 2 players is up to them…they just have to deal with the consequences.
Andrew 4:59 pm on 8/06/2010 Permalink |
I am running a keeper league where we have the option to keep 0-3 keepers. I have set the year 2 draft order in reverse 10-1………First 3 rounds are dedicated to keepers, and everyone submits there keepers before the draft. If someone keeps 1 keeper in Round 2 they can select out of the FAs without any consequences……….
My question is……… If the player who has the first pick overall (4th round) benefit from any of this, if someone who decides to keep only 1 keeper technically gets to choose a FA in the 2nd round before anyone else?………….. Is there a way to beat this system? Placing keepers at the end of the draft was an option but doesn’t seem like fun or realistic
Brandon 9:04 am on 8/09/2010 Permalink |
How about changing the rules to those recommended by us? Where the keepers get assigned to a draft round based on the previous year’s draft. This allows managers to keep players who aren’t top 3 round talent and not get penalized for it.
For example, in our league I’m considering keeping Steelers receiver Mike Wallace. If I had to use a top three round pick on him though, I definitely would not do this. However, as he’ll be a 13th round pick for me, it’s a bargain!
Ryan 1:06 am on 8/24/2010 Permalink |
We just started using a tiered keeper league. Everyone gets to keep 3 players, but only 1 from each tier. So 1st tier we voted on is rounds 1-3, tier 2 is 4-8 and tier 3 is 9-15 and freeagents. This prevents owners from keeping the 3 best players on their team, and rewards players for good players late in drafts. Each player can be kept for 3 years but here is the catch. Each year your keepers each move up a whole tier. So your tier 2 player is now a tier 1 in year 2, and you have two tier 1s so only 1 of those players can be kept. This keeps the draft pool large so each draft is still a lot of fun. Comments on this are welcome
Brandon 6:29 am on 8/24/2010 Permalink |
Was just wondering a few details on these league settings. Say you have 3 third-tier quality players going into the year and no 1 or 2 tier players. You would need one player to go in each tier, right? Do you pick the round? Is it automatically the last round in the tier? So 3rd, 8th, etc? Just curious.
Ryan 8:20 pm on 8/27/2010 Permalink |
You must keep one player from each tier. So you’d keep a player drafted in the first 3 rounds, one player from rounds 4-8, and one player from 9-undrafted. Im confused on what you are asking when you ask which round we pick… The round that the player was drafted in dictates which tier he is. Like for example, last year a player in my league drafted Aaron Rodgers in the 2nd round, Calvin Johnson in 4th round, and Ray Rice in the 10th round (yeah we drafted early and he was just a backup)… So those are his 3 keepers to start this year. Next year he cannot keep all 3.. Rodgers would still be a tier 1 player, Calvin Johnson would now become a Tier 1 player, and Ray Rice would become a Tier 2 player. He would have to drop either Rodgers or Johnson, and he could keep Rice, and then pick a new Tier 3 player that he will get in this years draft. Did that answer your question
Brandon 10:01 am on 8/28/2010 Permalink |
That explains it! Thanks Ryan.
king ELLIOT 11:21 pm on 8/29/2010 Permalink |
Hey i have a question. we’re in year one of our lkeeper league and have just held our draft.
the most important quesion is this…if a player is drafted and then dropped and then picked up again is he eligible to be kept? what is the same scenario happens but he is picked up by a different owner..can he be kept by that owner?
also BIG QUESTION..is there any cutoff for when players can be considered eligible to be kept? like similiar to a trading deadline? for example..what if im clearly not going to win the league.. towards the end of the year i can drop guys that appear as though they are going to have minimal or no value next year and fill my roster spots with guys that have potential huge offseason upsides…like say a player is in his final year of his contract..i could be hopeful that he will be signed by a new team and go from the #2 running back on his old squad to the bona fide number one on a potential new squad? or if a guy has a #1 in front of him who has announced retirement or will most likely or possibly be signing with another team..this players value will now skyrocket…
i was thinking about making the roster keeper cutoff date be the same date as our tradedeadline to prevent this from happening…also the individual would have to be on your team at the time of the trade deadline as well as at the end of the season…thoughts??
thanks alot site is great.
Brandon 9:24 am on 8/30/2010 Permalink |
The player retains his original draft position when it comes to keeping him the next year, even if he’s dropped. So someone drafted with the 8th pick, then dropped, would count as a 6th rounder for another team the following year.
In terms of roster cut-offs, we’ve never really done that. I actually have tried to use the technique you mentioned before, even when my team was still in the running! It’s tough to start locking down rosters, because what if a team absolutely needs a fill-in at a position due to injuries or something. You could lock down rosters once a team is mathematically eliminated from the playoffs I guess. However, all teams have the same opportunity to pick up these players. Even a team in first place probably has a roster spot available to drop some dead weight and aim for a keeper for the next season.
king ELLIOT 11:44 pm on 8/29/2010 Permalink |
also..any rhyme or reason to the free agent pickups being a 12th round loss as a keeper for the next year? without any knowledge of what other people do we decided on round 10….(its a 15 round league.)
also i figured id give you a little twist that i through into my league….we added a 16th round to our league that was for rookies only…this being our first year everyone was eligible to draft a rookie to be in their “farm system” similiar to a top baseball porspect being drafted and kept in the minors tilll hes ready or there is room for him.. from year to year you may only have one player in the “minor leagues” this playr may not be picked up by anyone else and you are not allowed to play him at all for the entire year. even though the following year he will not be a rookie…you may keep your previous prospect pick in your “farm system” for 3 “keeps” a total of 4 years until you feel he is ready.. he does not count against your three keeperes you are allowed.at the beginning of each season you may choose to keep your prospect where he is virtually “untouchable” by you or anyone else for the whole year. you may bring him onto your roster…and he will not count as a keep, or you can release him into the draft pool and you are then eligable to pick a new rookie to put into your farm system during that years draft. obviously in rounds 1-15 if anyone wanted to draft a rookie they were welcome to and they are treated just as they normally would be…regular players.
just thought id tell you about that, a lil somethin i made up and it gives a little spice to the league…(i picked dexter mccluster)…since im writing abotu it can i have your opinion…when your rookie is eventually (if ever) brought onto your team..what round pick should you lose for him? if any ? thanks man
Brandon 9:28 am on 8/30/2010 Permalink |
Sounds like a cool twist. Could be a pain to keep track of and make sure teams aren’t starting their “rookies” during the season, but as long as you can, should work. As for what round to lose for them, it’s really up to the guys in your league I guess. Maybe they could count for the pick right before any of your undrafted keepers go. So if you had 11th and 12th taken up with guys undrafted the previous year, your rookie would be the 10th pick. Or you could just make him the 15th pick if people wanted. Up to you guys